former vermont governor howard dean joins us from washington, d.c. governor, thanks for joining us. >> thanks, jonathan. >> so during the george w. bush administration, democrats accused the president of using, playing politics with the terror threats, especially during the 2004 re-election campaign. now president obama's republican critics are accusing him of using the terror warnings as a way to divert attention away from other issues, particularly the nsa leaks. are they right, or is the administration simply responding to threats that actually exist? >> well, i think the obama administration has a fair amount more credibility. the bush problem was this ridiculous orange, red, yell, orange, red, yellow and making a big deal about that every day, which the obama people properly abandoned. look, you have to react to what the intelligence is finding. the intelligence clearly gave a credible warning. if you don't react to that and you're the president of the united states, then the death of americans is on your shoulders. so of course he's going to re